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Well, it looks like the end is near for [url=http://www.galleryoflights.org/mb/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-2779]this B2215[/url] and [url=http://www.galleryoflights.org/mb/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-8264]these[/url] truss lights. 

The MTO is putting up new LED lights on this stretch of freeway. I'm guessing since the LED lights aren't as bright as the old 250w HPS cobras they had to lower the pole height from 50' to something like 35' and since the LED fixtures have a tighter distribution, the new poles are spaced closer. While it's cool that MTO is installing something other than highmast for once on a freeway, I wish they installed CMH on truss poles. :P  
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Sigh...

Well, it looks like the end is near for this B2215 and these truss lights.

The MTO is putting up new LED lights on this stretch of freeway. I'm guessing since the LED lights aren't as bright as the old 250w HPS cobras they had to lower the pole height from 50' to something like 35' and since the LED fixtures have a tighter distribution, the new poles are spaced closer. While it's cool that MTO is installing something other than highmast for once on a freeway, I wish they installed CMH on truss poles. :P

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joe_347V   [Sep 17, 2013 at 03:52 PM]
Yeah the on and off ramps too, when the Conestoga expressway first opened in the 70s, all of the lights were mercury truss lights but some were replaced by highmast in the 2000s.
streetlight98   [Sep 17, 2013 at 07:21 PM]
Hmm i wonder if these means they're going to start replacing all those highmasts they just installed with LED cobraheads? Razz Laughing Rolling Eyes That sounds like something that would happen around here lol.

There was an interchange near me that used to only have lights where the off ramps and on ramps merged with the freeway and where the ramps ended on the road. They were all 250W HPS M-250R2s with the freeway lights on trussed, the ramp lights on tapered ellipticals. Then they got the idea to install more lights on the freeway section, meaning one string of lights versus a couple clusters. the ramps were left alone. They also relamped/rephotocelled/replaced andy bad lights as they typically would since most lights were out. Then a couple months later there are new concreate bases in the ground and fast forward a month or so and there are M-400 FCOs on davits. They replaced all the BRAND NEW lights they JUST INSTALLED along with all the others. This time around the whole entire ramps were lit too.

Why would you spend all that money fixing the old lights and addign brand new old spec poles and lights and then replacing the whole interchange with new spec lights and poles? a very typical way to spend tax dollars... Laughing Mad Rolling Eyes
Model25FanForever   [Sep 17, 2013 at 09:46 PM]
Highmasts to LED tapered e arms, I doubt it. MTO loves they're Highmasts. On/Off ramps are sometimes ignored during a relamping. But they come back maybe a few years later such to replace what they didn't remove such as some of our Truss lights and they either stick a highmast right in the dead center, or remove all the lights on the ramp, or replace the poles and lights, or retrofit tapered e arms onto a older pole like this one http://goo.gl/maps/l6M9r

Yeah RI isn't the only one who replaces new lights our bus project (zum) is replacing all the new OVX's and signals that only date back to the early or late 2000's. Good to know that taxpayers money goes to great causes. sigh. Mad Rolling Eyes
streetlight98   [Sep 17, 2013 at 10:35 PM]
yeah MTO will likely wait until a practical LEd highmast comes out. Fortunatly you'll be seeing HId on your freeways for a few more years since i don't think LED highmast technology is really up to par yet... Then again, maybe the LED color will be more sooting than the yucky HPS but i bet the LEDs will just make a dim halo of light at the base of the pole. Laughing Rolling Eyes
joe_347V   [Sep 17, 2013 at 11:22 PM]
I think MTO would stick with the highmasts for now but maybe they're replacing the HPS cobras with LED for now. I think they still prefer usin highmasts though. So for the new highmasts are still HPS but there's LED highmasts in a MTO truck stop parking lot.

Some lights here get replaced early too, the traffic signals along hwy 7 that were replaced during a bus lane project and some of the HPS OV25s installed on the 401 truss poles come to mind. The OV-25s replaced mercury Powerlites in the early 90s but they were replaced with highmasts in 2002 or so.
Model25FanForever   [Sep 18, 2013 at 12:58 AM]
Iv'e seen enough LED shoebox's to know how bad it would be on a highmast considering how dim the shoebox ones are. MTO should wait a bit longer for LED highmasts. Yeah I think they might be replacing the cobraheads with LED's, I hope they don't replace our Hubbel FCO RLG's with them. Yeah they need to plan better. Btw are those the LED OVF's?
streetlight98   [Sep 18, 2013 at 01:18 AM]
Nah those aren't OVFs. I bet you guys wish they were though. Razz Here when NGrid finally decides to go LED (hopefully not for a while!) they'll likely be using GE Scalable Evolve LED lights (or whatever model GE rolls out next) since they seem to really like GEs. If not, they'll go with cooper LEDs but I'm guessing they'll use the more utilitarian designs over the OVH and OVF designs. Sad more than likely they'd use GE LEDs though.
joe_347V   [Sep 18, 2013 at 01:41 AM]
IIRC they weren't OVF lights even though I've seen MTO use the HPS version elsewhere. I suppose HPS won't be going away anytime soon though, a recent freeway widening here used HPS highmasts and I think a few HPS cobras too.
streetlight98   [Sep 18, 2013 at 01:55 AM]
what cobras were they? OVF, 125, or a mix? (or did they use another model?) what brand higmast does the MTO use? they almost look decorative more like round shoeboxes vs outdoor rated highbays lol.
Model25FanForever   [Sep 18, 2013 at 02:00 AM]
Oh I had to enlarge the photo. Definitely not OVF's! LaughingI assume you will find out what LED's they are.
They look very square though.

MTO uses 125, OVF, OV-25's and Hubbel RLC's. OVF, and 125 are almost always the cobrahead they use.
joe_347V   [Sep 19, 2013 at 05:23 AM]
Here's a close up of the LED lights which sorta looks like that ones going up in Mississauga but then again all of them look like metal waffles. Laughing

MTO now uses Widelite and Quality Lighting Design 123 highmasts. The latter is the one that looks like a round shoebox but isn't made anymore though. Some of the older highmasts include GE HMAA, Holophane HMST, and WRTL HML400G. I believe the last model is a British light that they imported.

As far as I know MTO never used Cooper, AEL (if they make highmasts) and Powerlite highmast lights.
Model25FanForever   [Sep 19, 2013 at 10:51 AM]
Interesting it appears they also haven't installed any more LED's past that B2217 but I guess they just haven't gotten to them yet. Razz

Yeah i noticed new widelites on the QEW in Oakville and Burlington. Cool
joe_347V   [Sep 19, 2013 at 08:53 PM]
Yeah they haven't got to that part yet, the new bases have been poured and the poles are lying in the ditch though.
streetlight98   [Sep 19, 2013 at 09:48 PM]
Interesting that you guys pour fresh bases. Here the bases are pre-made (probably at a cement place since they look professional) and get put in with a crane with the anchor bolts and everything already done. So all they do is have a machine dig the hole, have a crane lift the base into place, then typically they let the bases settle for a month or so. Then they install the pole. I don't really get why they wait so long to install the pole though since afterall the bases are prefabricated.
Model25FanForever   [Sep 20, 2013 at 12:47 AM]
Yeah they get poured here and wait until its not green concrete anymore. Then they install the poles to the base. Here on our typical roadways concrete poles are already made and they dig a hole and install the pole then add the arm, bolts, and fixture Razz Very Happy
streetlight98   [Sep 20, 2013 at 01:02 AM]
Ahh here the arms are installed before installation. I'm pretty sure the fixtures are installed after the pole is installed though. Some places they install the lights before installing the pole which doesn't make sense to me but i guess it's so they don't have to use a bucket truck, just a crane.
joe_347V   [Dec 22, 2014 at 06:52 AM]
The old MTO truss poles and with it the B2215 has been removed during the fall or 2014. I still haven't seen these lights at night though.
streetlight98   [Dec 22, 2014 at 11:01 AM]
I finally got to see the tall Rte 6 LEDs lit up about a month or so ago and was rather impressed with the distribution. the color was awesome but they distributed just as well as FCO HPS and weren't any more glarey than a MH lamp. These were on tll poles just like the 400W HPS FCOs they used were on. There's another installation of LEDs on Rte 10 with short poles and it's so-so.
Model25FanForever   [Dec 22, 2014 at 11:08 AM]
I actually like the look of LED's on roadways at night.
Model25FanForever   [Apr 26, 2015 at 02:23 AM]
I noticed that these are the same LED's being put in all over Simcoe County. Caledon has a whole bunch of them now.

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