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Lamps and Starters for the Preheats Starters are from Home Depot and the lamps from Benny's. I had to take one of the lamps back though since it was a dud. I accidentally hit the end of one of the 2-packs against the doorway bringing them in so i guess i killed it. I simply put the single lamp on the far right (which was good) in the sleeve and took the bad lamp out and out the benny's sticker on it. The lamps are identical besides the fact that the etch on the single lamps aren't as bold as the dual-packaged lamps. The single lamps are also a bit bluer and brighter than than the dual-packages lamps. The dual-packaged lamps are somewhat yellow when lit even though all the lamps are cool white deluxe. I haven't tested the starters since i don't have a preheat 40W fixture of my own, though i don't see why they wouldn't work. i think all of the starters in the fixtures are good anyways but these are just in case. Keywords: Lamps

Lamps and Starters for the Preheats

Starters are from Home Depot and the lamps from Benny's. I had to take one of the lamps back though since it was a dud. I accidentally hit the end of one of the 2-packs against the doorway bringing them in so i guess i killed it. I simply put the single lamp on the far right (which was good) in the sleeve and took the bad lamp out and out the benny's sticker on it. The lamps are identical besides the fact that the etch on the single lamps aren't as bold as the dual-packaged lamps. The single lamps are also a bit bluer and brighter than than the dual-packages lamps. The dual-packaged lamps are somewhat yellow when lit even though all the lamps are cool white deluxe.

I haven't tested the starters since i don't have a preheat 40W fixture of my own, though i don't see why they wouldn't work. i think all of the starters in the fixtures are good anyways but these are just in case.

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joe_347V   [Aug 15, 2012 at 08:52 PM]
Cool, and yeah I tend to change starters frequently too, you don't want them getting stuck and cooking a vintage ballast.
streetlight98   [Aug 15, 2012 at 09:02 PM]
Can they get stuck with good lamps in them?
joe_347V   [Aug 15, 2012 at 09:05 PM]
They might if the starter is worn out but they usually get stuck when the lamp starts strobing which wears down the starter quickly.

If you want to guard against you should get some cutout/Watchdog starters which have a small thermal cut out inside.
streetlight98   [Aug 15, 2012 at 09:14 PM]
I thought those were only for T17s? What happens when a starter gets stuck (the signs that it's stuck). Will it do harm if it's fixed quickly?
joe_347V   [Aug 15, 2012 at 09:22 PM]
Nope they made them for F40 and F20 lamps too, it seems most T17 starters are cutout while F40 cutouts are hard to find and F20 cutouts are really rare.

I guess if you fix it quickly it won't harm the ballast but just don't leave it like that for years. Ideally you should fix them when it starts strobing but if you can't taking out the starter or the lamp will prevent this.
streetlight98   [Aug 16, 2012 at 12:31 AM]
One light had both lamps strobing so i disconnected it via pull-chain switch. (were pull-chain switches common on fluorescent lights back in the 60s?) The other had severly black lamps and just a faint (only noticeable when it's dark out and only when you look with the corner of your eye) so i think both the starters and lamps are dead. I can't shut it off either since the pull-chain it too short for me to reach. I plan on repairing it when i fix the other up. The thrid fixture has one good lamp. The other doesn't light up but i can't tell if it faintly strobes since the light of the other tube drowns it out if it does. I only bought 4 starters though for the six lamps. I bought 5 lamps for the 5 that are bad. I may use all four just to be safe...

BTW, what are/were F40T12 cut-out starter named (T17 are FS-85 but the cutout ones are FS-850).
joe_347V   [Aug 16, 2012 at 08:00 PM]
Hmm, I thought pull chains were only common on those shoplight style fluorescent fixtures but I guess it might have been added when they installed in the basement. I actually added a pull chain switch to my HO strip using a convenient KO sized for a pull chain on the end plates.

I believe the name for the F40 cutout starter varied but I think it was COP-40, FS-40/400, or "Watchdog" for GE as opposed to FS-4.
streetlight98   [Aug 16, 2012 at 08:50 PM]
I thought so too. The pull-chains look as old as the fixtures but there's a chance they were installed when they were hung in the garage. They all run off a wall switch though.

BTW, the cut-out starters are called manual reset. I found this spec sheet and the manual reset FS-4 and FS-2 starters are indeed called FS-40/400 and FS-20. I wonder if Hubbell still makes them of if this spec sheet is outdated.
joe_347V   [Aug 16, 2012 at 10:54 PM]
Interesting, it looks like COP-40 was the name that Sylvania used (I heard it stood for Cut-Out Premium) and Watch Dog was GE's name for them.
streetlight98   [Aug 16, 2012 at 11:33 PM]
I found a lot of 10 on e-bay here. I'm going to talk to my parents about getting them. Smile

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