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Lanterns/Fixtures => News about Lanterns/Fixtures => Topic started by: Vince on January 15, 2011, 08:02:12 PM
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I recently read in this article (http://www.canadianpropertymanagement.ca/TraditionalExitSignChangestoRunningMan.aspx) that the Canadian Building Code has the intention to phase out the classic red "EXIT/SORTIE" exit sign for new constructions in favour of the European (not to say International) "Green running man" exit sign, now found in most EU countries, along with several other places in the world.
(http://img.slate.com/media/1/123125/2245632/2246167/2247195/100308_SIGNS_exit_greenTN.jpg)
What do you think of that phase out? Should we keep the gool ol' exit sign?
(http://unbecominglevity.blogharbor.com/_photos/exit_sign.jpg)
(http://www.lighting-gallery.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10232/normal_HPIM4235.JPG)
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The good exit sign is the one, that is easy recognized by most of the people in the middle of panic, so whatever look unusually is a bad one...
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It isn't always about looks....sometimes safety is #1....i hope the man running doesn't look too plain though ;-) I do not know of the USA doing same thing.
Do you find "EXIT" in your area Vince or is that only in the English side of Canada?
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It isn't always about looks....sometimes safety is #1....i hope the man running doesn't look too plain though ;-) I do not know of the USA doing same thing.
Do you find "EXIT" in your area Vince or is that only in the English side of Canada?
I saw a single "EXIT" sign before in Montreal before which is also in Quebec but closer to Ontario than where Vince is.
The running man seems a bit too plain too me but it looks like it would look better if it was a running man with red or green EXIT/SORTIE combo.
I think that I might recognize the old exit sign more in a emergency though because I'm used to following the red EXIT more than the running man.
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It isn't always about looks....sometimes safety is #1....i hope the man running doesn't look too plain though ;-) I do not know of the USA doing same thing.
Do you find "EXIT" in your area Vince or is that only in the English side of Canada?
Last weekend I saw a triangle-shaped exit sign with EXIT on it! But also in my school there are two modern exit signs with "EXIT" on them. Sometime this week I'll bring my camera to school to take a couple of pics, and if I can I'll get to those two and pic them.
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Well I saw one of those those newfangled exit signs today, all I can recognized the old red exit a lot easier in a busy background than the new green running man signs. :8) >:(
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They should make the signs red. I don't like green exit signs because ithink of red as an "Alert" or "Danger" color. Green doesn't stand out to me in an emergency as much. You have to look harder.
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According to the supporters of the green running man, greens evokes the safe way out, and is kinda related to the green light on traffic lights. And red exit signs would supposedly make us stop instead, ridiculous! >:(
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Red doesn't seem to stop people from walking in the exit door at WalMart. Nobody reads those Stanley Automatic Door decals.lol :8)
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According to the supporters of the green running man, greens evokes the safe way out, and is kinda related to the green light on traffic lights. And red exit signs would supposedly make us stop instead, ridiculous! >:(
Yeah, I agree for one red is MUCH more visible than green signs, and ALERTS you to the exit...aren't exit signs supposed to be highly visible, and who even thinks red would make people stop. :8) >:(
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They haven't met Rhode Island drivers yet. :P ;D
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They haven't met Rhode Island drivers yet. :P ;D
Toronto Drivers are probably the same too. :8) ;D
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I guess every place has it's bad drivers. ;D
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Yeah every city thinks their drivers are the worst. :P
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The reason for color Green exit sign is because eyes are SENSITIVE to the color GREEN and is MUCH easier to see when you are under HEAVY smoke......and you are crawling below the smoke trying to find the exit.....imagine being in a dark area....
Remember green color are more sensitive to human eyes than red color...it's a fact!
There are some areas that require to have an exit sign on the lower floor (right next to the exit door) in case of a REALLLLLY heavy smoke that makes it hard to see the exit signs up high while you are CRAWLING for MERCY!
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The signs were red, because when only incandescents were available to generate usefull illumination, they emit most light in red, even when the eye is not as sensitive for it. It was simply because of the incandescent spectrum.
But these days light sources are available with similar efficiency in radiating in any color, so the color where you need least radiated power for the same visibility (so the green) become way more practical, so standards shift to it.
Moreover it allow to use "traffic control" like color coding: Green mean "safe emergency exit", red could mean "Don't use in emergency" - e.g. marking of the elevators (I mean non-evacuation rated)...
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But then that allows the potential for confusion particularly if the new design signage uses red for "NO EXIT" while the old red "EXIT" is still in use and it probably will still be in use for a long time since they're only required to use them in new construction and renovations. :8) >:(
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I do agree. I have seen the "NO EXIT" first time in some airport (I do not anymore remember where), where it was in the big full-wall window above some loading deck. First I was confused, how to escape that way, only later I noticed the "NO" in the text...
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I understood what the green color of EXIT signs means, and why the red EXIT signs phased out in Canada.
We don't have the green walking man logo in our EXIT signs in Israel, but the text "EXIT" in hebrew instead, but it printed in green as well.
Only the "No Exit" signs in Israel are printed red, and this is because these signs are on doors that may leads you to nothing and you might be caught there and wouldn't find a way to escape, if you enter there.
The green and the red color used as a mode symbol.
Green means safe or no dangers and red means danger and is usually a warning color.
Therefore red Exit signs is illegal, as they causes much confusion because they contains an Non standard combination of a positive sign that says a safety exit with a warning color (And the origin of the used lightsources isn't an excuse to deviate the worldwide standard (What is more important: Brightness over the nature of the sign color, or a less bright sign with a standard color? [Indeed, in Israel, Electrozen produce green LED Exit signs {With either green or white LEDs, but the text always green, regardless of the LEDs color} that are very dim, much dimmer than a hypothetical green version of Canada incandescent EXIT/SORTIE signs, but they are still pronounced in the darkness]).
I think that except Canada, and i don't know how the status in the US about the color of the Exit signs is (Through i saw pictures of american LED Exit signs [The ones with the seperate incandescent/halogen emergency lights] and LED retrofits for incandescent lamps for Exit signs, that had red LEDs instead of green LEDs), no region in the world uses red color for EXIT signs as this is an unusual and not standard.
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Actually since people are used to seeing RED exit sign reusing RED for a no exit sign is just bound to confuse people, remember that existing signs are still allowed.
Also most people here are used to seeing RED exit signs like I am, since I noticed the RED sign much quicker than the GREEN one. :8)
Oh and please try not to bash NA technology in the future like when you were talking about how RED is unsafe and non standard and that we used an "excuse" to use it :8) , it is very annoying and please remember that different places have DIFFERENT standards because that's how things were like 50hz vs 60Hz.
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If red is a "danger" color why do fire trucks and rescue trucks have red strobes? I find red to be an "alert" color. And why are we fighting over colors anyways? I thought the topic was over the traditional "EXIT" and "SORTIE" signs that ligth up versus the noniluminated running man. Personally, I don't like symbol signs. i perfer signs that are written. Signs like a Do Not Enter or Yield sign with no words on it can be confusing if you don't know what the symbol means. I would choose something like this:
(http://us.cdn1.123rf.com/168nwm/speedfighter/speedfighter0910/speedfighter091000019/5632755-green-exit-sign-isolated-on-white-background.jpg) This says "EXIT" (SORTIE also could be added for french speakers) and the man is added. This allows maximum clairity. They should makeone of these that lgiths up though.
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Yeah honestly this was originally a thread about the phasing out of the classic Canadian exit signs, which was sadly interpreted by some as a chance to flout the superiority of the European system which ultimately led to people bashing the classic Canadian exit signage system. :8) >:(
Personally if they really wanted to use the running man at least put the red EXIT on it so people who are USED to the old system can still quickly identify the exit.
This isn't even a new concept when we switched to symbol signs in the 70s they installed small tab signs on the bottom like "NO LEFT TURN", "YIELD", "DO NOT ENTER", etc to help motorists who were used to the old system. Some of those tab signs are still used for new installs so some of our signs are basically text and symbol signs.
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Is there a reason why the words are no longer on the canadian traffic signs?
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They did that to avoid having to post English/French signs and to be more compliant to international standards.
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I understood what the green color of EXIT signs means, and why the red EXIT signs phased out in Canada.
We don't have the green walking man logo in our EXIT signs in Israel, but the text "EXIT" in hebrew instead, but it printed in green as well.
Only the "No Exit" signs in Israel are printed red, and this is because these signs are on doors that may leads you to nothing and you might be caught there and wouldn't find a way to escape, if you enter there.
The green and the red color used as a mode symbol.
Green means safe or no dangers and red means danger and is usually a warning color.
Therefore red Exit signs is illegal, as they causes much confusion because they contains an Non standard combination of a positive sign that says a safety exit with a warning color (And the origin of the used lightsources isn't an excuse to deviate the worldwide standard (What is more important: Brightness over the nature of the sign color, or a less bright sign with a standard color? [Indeed, in Israel, Electrozen produce green LED Exit signs {With either green or white LEDs, but the text always green, regardless of the LEDs color} that are very dim, much dimmer than a hypothetical green version of Canada incandescent EXIT/SORTIE signs, but they are still pronounced in the darkness]).
I think that except Canada, and i don't know how the status in the US about the color of the Exit signs is (Through i saw pictures of american LED Exit signs [The ones with the seperate incandescent/halogen emergency lights] and LED retrofits for incandescent lamps for Exit signs, that had red LEDs instead of green LEDs), no region in the world uses red color for EXIT signs as this is an unusual and not standard.
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Oh and please try not to bash NA technology in the future like when you were talking about how RED is unsafe and non standard and that we used an "excuse" to use it :8) , it is very annoying and please remember that different places have DIFFERENT standards because that's how things were like 50hz vs 60Hz.
I feel an stumble here dor123! We do know North America uses a somewhat different electrical system, it's already been said, proven and re-proven. Do you really need to say it again and again and again? This is exactly what gets annoying...
Let's flip it backwards, would you want us to say all the time that Israeli exit signs don't consider people that don't speak Hebrew? Or that Israeli lighting systems are just duplicate versions of North American models? Or things like that?
Of course I exaggerated a little, but it's just to give you a rough idea of how we feel. If I'm not mistaken you've already been warned once about this, don't wait until you get warned once more!