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Some sort of Insulating bracket?
I have seen these kind of brackets on wooden OR metal poles used in Denver- Xcel energy territory- A LOT.

What I have noticed is that when these brackets are used, there are LESS porcelain insulators, A LOT less, than usual.

Like on this picture, there would be 8 or 9 Disc insulators hanging down if it was directly connected to the wood or metal.

But on THESE kinds of brackets there always seems to be only FOUR hanging down.

I think these lines would be 115 to at least 150 KiloVolts, A standard voltage for High-Voltage Primary lines.

Are these Utility-Pole brackets insulating? They kind of look like it. I wonder what they are made of, some sort of polymer or something?

I posted this here cause all you experts might know about it. xD
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Some sort of Insulating bracket?

I have seen these kind of brackets on wooden OR metal poles used in Denver- Xcel energy territory- A LOT.

What I have noticed is that when these brackets are used, there are LESS porcelain insulators, A LOT less, than usual.

Like on this picture, there would be 8 or 9 Disc insulators hanging down if it was directly connected to the wood or metal.

But on THESE kinds of brackets there always seems to be only FOUR hanging down.

I think these lines would be 115 to at least 150 KiloVolts, A standard voltage for High-Voltage Primary lines.

Are these Utility-Pole brackets insulating? They kind of look like it. I wonder what they are made of, some sort of polymer or something?

I posted this here cause all you experts might know about it. xD

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Form109   [Dec 15, 2011 at 01:44 AM]
i doubt these are 115 KV or 150 KV...insulators aren't long enough and there's not enough clearence between the lines..probably 69 KV or less...looks like a sub-transmission line.
Antstar85   [Dec 15, 2011 at 01:47 AM]
4 disc is common for 50 kv systems. 5 is common for 69 kv systems.
LilCinnamon   [Dec 15, 2011 at 01:51 AM]
Well what I am Asking is about the bracket, I think the brackets insulate. Because when the insulators are connected STRAIGHT to the wood or metal, 8 or 9 Disc Insulators hang down. And on Dead-Enders always have 12 Disc insulators on them. So I do think these are about 115 KV.
Antstar85   [Dec 15, 2011 at 01:55 AM]
No this is not a 115 kv system. In our standards book at work, 4 disc is for 50 kv. Usually there are more disc at dead ends to keep proper clearances from grounded equipment.
LilCinnamon   [Dec 15, 2011 at 01:59 AM]
Well what I am saying is that I think the brackets insulate. Like the little thing HOLDING the insulators is also an insulator... It looks like an insulating material.

And on this EXACT set there were some places with 9 disc insulators hanging down and the age was the same.

I am not sure... But it seems that this would be that high.

How many disc insulators hang down for a 115 KV system?
Antstar85   [Dec 15, 2011 at 02:02 AM]
115 is typically 8 disc. You can't have 4 on 115 even if the brackets are polymer. You are risking a flash over or could get tracking. Are the 8 disc insulators on newer poles along this run.
streetlight98   [Dec 15, 2011 at 02:03 AM]
@ Ian, I'm not sure if the bracket can be trusted to be an insulator. I'm pretty sure the bracket isn't polymer. It would most likely have to be metal to support the wires. Those things are pretty heavy, especially with far pole spacings.
LilCinnamon   [Dec 15, 2011 at 02:05 AM]
I am not sure, they both look the same age.

But you never actually know, maybe these ARE 115 KV but Xcel energy just made a dumb move. But I have seen lots of places in Xcel with these type of brackets.

What are the high-high voltage lines? I think I typically see like 20 Disc insulators on them, hanging down or dead end, they are probably different. Maybe more disc insulators I can't tell.
Antstar85   [Dec 15, 2011 at 02:06 AM]
115 must also be a minimum 6' from and grounded equipment.
streetlight98   [Dec 15, 2011 at 02:09 AM]
What voltage(s) would these poles be? This is what Narragansett Electric liked. NGrid is renewing these high tension poles across the state with ones closer looking to what Ian has except they're anchor base steel and some are wood.
LilCinnamon   [Dec 15, 2011 at 02:10 AM]
Hm I see, what are the high voltage lines Voltage usually? Like the ones with 20 Disc insulators or maybe a bit more on them. Is that about 400 KV?
Antstar85   [Dec 15, 2011 at 02:24 AM]
Mike, there are two different voltages in the link you sent. The one with the parallel runs and longer disc setup is a 345 kv system. And the other 2 circuits are both 115. We have these exact setups also here as well.
streetlight98   [Dec 15, 2011 at 02:35 AM]
345 kV?! Shocked What's considered an average high voltage line voltage? Is that a high or low voltage by today's standards?
Form109   [Dec 15, 2011 at 02:38 AM]
345 KV is used in Texas,the lattice towers even resemble stars.

i've heard they have lines above 765 KV...i know there's some in Virginia..and 500 KV in California.

the benefit for raising the voltage is less current for a given amount of power transferred so you can use thinner conductors,though there's obvious risks too...who wants to live next to that. Very Happy
streetlight98   [Dec 15, 2011 at 02:46 AM]
Not me that's for sure! Is it true that the electromagnetic radiation from high voltage lines can cause cancer? Neutral
LilCinnamon   [Dec 15, 2011 at 02:48 AM]
Denver (Xcel Energy) Uses those voltages for their main voltage lines.

Sometimes one setup has where one side of the lines has 345 KV and the other side has 115.

HERE Is an example.

The weird thing about that set of power lines is the POLES (or frames) Are meant to hold THREE sets of three wires, but only hold two, leaving one of the sections empty. What might be weirder is that instead of leaving the middle one empty they left one of the side ones empty.

For a while this set gets a third set of three, a 115 KV set that get's added on then branches back off to give electricity to the mountain areas, which actually give electricity to that 45 KV line that will be replaced that give electricity to my HOUSE.

You can see the same set HERE when it has three sets of three. But that was the only time it had three, you can browse the maps to see where they branch on then branch off.

Maybe Xcel energy had the money and decided to just spend the money using more expensive. xD
Form109   [Dec 15, 2011 at 02:53 AM]
i've heard that it causes cancer...but i hear talk disputing that and supporting it...i can't see Electromagnetic Fields being harmful.

also..a Thread has began on this photo...High Voltage Ian Thread XD
joe_347V   [Dec 15, 2011 at 03:44 AM]
Shoebox thread > HV Ian Thread. Very Happy
LilCinnamon   [Dec 15, 2011 at 05:53 AM]
Back to the picture.

They made brackets like what is on this picture in Polymer? These don't look polymer..

What do you think these brackets are made out of? They look like they insulate to me.

But they don't look metal, the metal part is on the edges where the insulators attach and where the bracket attaches to the pole, Which is why I think they are an insulating bracket.
Silverliner14B   [Dec 15, 2011 at 06:19 AM]
Here in Southern California Edison territory, the highest voltage I know of on wooden poles are the 66kv sub-transmission lines. They are identified as being on tall wooden poles, usually found along some major roads. The transmission lines on the tall steel towers are either 230kv or 500kv.

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