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Carb-O-Bay series - Datasheet.

Here is another line of arc lamps, expected to be developed and released when the SilverArc series is going to have a reliable design and an efficient production process.

The Carb-O-Bay lamps will use a different casing, but the same internal chassis. This is also the series that'll allow the use of salt-containing carbon rods by installing a retrofit kit. This kit is basically going to improve the sealing of the internal globe so that almost no fumes can get out.

Note the illustration is a quick representation of what a fixture from that series will roughly look like.

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Album name:Vince / Vince Electric - A truly natural experience...
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Company and Date Manufactured:Vince Electric Lighting Company Ltd
Model Number:Carb-O-Bay series
Wattage:From 250W to 1000W
Lamp Type:Carbon arc
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vaporeyes   [Jan 24, 2012 at 10:56 PM]
vaporeyes
Wow, can you imagine - a school gymnasium, perhaps, lit entirely by carbon-arc high bays? Sweet! Until a ball hits one of the lights, perhaps...

streetlight98   [Jan 24, 2012 at 11:56 PM]
streetlight98
Cool. A carbon arc highbay. Smile I know nothing about carbon rods so i find it pretty interesting to read these sheets.

joe_347V   [Jan 25, 2012 at 02:47 AM]
joe_347V
Can I retrofit a HID highbay with the retrofit kit? Laughing

Mike, here's how a actual carbon-arc highbay looked like.

TiCoune66   [Jan 25, 2012 at 03:12 AM]
TiCoune66
Laughing They unfortunately won't be compatible with HID fixtures, nor incandescent or fluorescent LOL.

These were known as "Intensified" arc lamps. But you are right, these were the predecessors of the modern high bays!

mercuryvaporrocks   [Jan 25, 2012 at 01:25 PM]
mercuryvaporrocks
Does Vince Electric sell HID lights by chance? Laughing

GullWhiz   [Jan 25, 2012 at 03:24 PM]
GullWhiz
Sorry, but my school uses 208 volts, so I guess we wont be doing business with you.......

joe_347V   [Jan 25, 2012 at 03:31 PM]
joe_347V
Eh run a neutral, add some circuits and run them on 120v. Laughing

TiCoune66   [Jan 25, 2012 at 03:56 PM]
TiCoune66
Joe's got a point XD.

But for now I will design 120V and 240V ballasts, since we all have those voltages available, including me. I couldn't test ballasts working at other voltages, unless I use special transformers. And of course I don't to want to ship untested fixtures!

streetlight98   [Jan 25, 2012 at 09:17 PM]
streetlight98
How much does it cost to make one of these Vince? I'm guessing it won't be more than a HID fixture, but probably more and an incandescent highbay...

TiCoune66   [Jan 25, 2012 at 09:52 PM]
TiCoune66
I will have to calculate the production cost, including all the components, the materials, and everything else, then add a reasonable profit margin (i.e. something like 20 or 25% of production cost). At the moment I really can't tell how much one would cost. I don't think it'll be in the hundred dollars range, probably something between 40 and 70$ I guess LOL.

BULB FREAK   [Jan 25, 2012 at 10:39 PM]
BULB FREAK
do you do them with 50Hz ballast? if your fixtures do get put in to preducshen I am DEFENENTLY bying one so my order will be : CY1000 A1K standed sise with ash colector and if I can use normall carbon rods with the carbo-nitron kit I will have one pre-installed with spere normal and nitron carbon rods. BTW very cool fixtures Very Happy Cool

GullWhiz   [Jan 26, 2012 at 12:25 AM]
GullWhiz
How long does the carbon "bulb" last? And how much will it cost to get replacement? And how many gulls will it take to replace a Carbon Bulb? Is it complicated to install?

TiCoune66   [Jan 26, 2012 at 01:10 AM]
TiCoune66
Estimated lifespan for one pair of carbon rods, by size:

- Size 1: Unknown, they probably will never be produced XD
- Size 2: 5 hours enclosed, 30 minutes open
- Size 3: 10 hours enclosed, 1 hour open
- Size 4: 15 hours enclosed, 1,5 hour open
- Size 4XL: 35 hours enclosed, 3,5 hours open

As of the price, this will have to be calculated as well ^_^' I plan to sell carbon rods by packs of 20, and probably in a sort of "contractor-pack" with like 60 or even 100 carbon rods. The price will depend of the units of sale, the latter depending of the customer needs! If 20 isn't enough, then I'll sell them in bigger packs!

Installation is going to be very simple. The entire relamping process will be tool-free! The rods should be held in place with thumbscrews, and the globe will hold in place with threads.

BULB FREAK: When I am ready to start the manufacturing process I'll see if making 50Hz fixtures is doable. I'll also prepare PDFs with text boxes you can fill to place your order Wink But I still have lots of things to prepare before!

GullWhiz   [Jan 26, 2012 at 02:07 AM]
GullWhiz
Only 35 hours of life??? Too much maintance reiqured! How can we replace them like daily in commercial places and stuff! Plus thumbscrew sockets eh? Sounds like something against a code. Which is...accidentaly touching LIVE sockets......sounds risky!

TiCoune66   [Jan 26, 2012 at 02:31 AM]
TiCoune66
There's gonna be a safety switch on the side of the housing that kills power to the electrodes. Of course removing live carbon rods would be dangerous! I may consider including a killswitch on the globe seal so that power is cut if globe is removed.

Well, arc lamps used to be relamped every 150 hrs! The earliest ones were open and had to be relamped every 15 to 20 hrs! 35 hrs seems quite short, even for a carbon arc lamp, but I don't aim the same exact applications as the original arc lamps, and definitely not commercial applications!

joe_347V   [Jan 26, 2012 at 05:40 AM]
joe_347V
Ahh a safety interlock switch, good idea.

GullWhiz   [Jan 26, 2012 at 02:53 PM]
GullWhiz
Okay what is the main usage for those? (schools are considered commercial!)

TiCoune66   [Jan 26, 2012 at 05:17 PM]
TiCoune66
The Carb-O-Bay arc lamps could be used in your garage for example, if you have one. You could use some in your basement! They're gonna be pretty small sized, I expect the reflector to be about 15" diameter, and the whole fixture about 18" tall. The higher wattage ones may have a bigger reflector though.

My other arc lamps series, the SilverArc, is a more general type. Those arc lamps are intended for general lighting service (GLS).

ZarlogH46   [Mar 28, 2017 at 03:08 PM]
ZarlogH46
How efficient are carbon arc lamps compared to incandescent?


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