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Philips LED InstantFit T8s
Was grabbing some stuff at HD today and I saw these for sale. Interestingly these are designed to run off existing instant start ballasts instead of straight 120v like most of the other LED T8 tubes on the market. Philips only specs these at 1600 lumens which is pretty meh compared to the 2800 lm from a typical /841 F32T8. The lamp life is better than regular T8 but I believe long life T8 last just as long or even longer lol.

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Company and Date Manufactured:Philips, 2014
Wattage:14.5w
Lamp Type:LED
Life:50,000 hours
Lumen Output:1600 lumens
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Base:G13 medium bi-pin
Lamp Shape:T8
Color Temperature:4000K
File Size:345 KB
Date added:19 Apr 2014
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A_lights  [19 Apr 2014 at 22:59]

Very interesting! I wonder how they designed them to work ok on IS? That's not a terrible price either, if the lumens were higher I'd get one to try out

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streetlight98  [20 Apr 2014 at 01:02]

Yeah I'm surprised those LEDs are actually affordable. I just hope these aren't as bad as the LOA BulbBusters that were designed to retrofit into 175W yardblasters without modification. I heard those things died within a matter of months lol. Yeah the lumens are a little sucky and I wonder how the differing ballast factors would affect the performance (since I would think the circuitry would require presice specs and ballasts vary)

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joe_347V  [20 Apr 2014 at 01:25]

Yeah, they seem to be better made that most of the other LED retrofit tubes out there (cough the ones with exposed LEDS /cough) but I wish the lumens were higher.

And yeah, the price isn't that bad considering that some places still sell plain old screw in LEDs for $30+

@Mike, there's a short list of compatible ballasts on the sleeve, I believe they were all newer Advance IS ballasts though.

Somehow I got the feeling someone will end up sticking them in a fixture with a PS or a RS ballast or even a F40T12 RS or preheat ballast and end up blowing both lamp and ballast up.

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A_lights  [20 Apr 2014 at 01:27]

Ahh I have a bunch of newer ballasts so if I did get one that wouldn't be a problem, I didn't see in the spec sheet what models though
@joe: yeah thats probably likely to happen

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joe_347V  [20 Apr 2014 at 01:47]

Yeah the spec sheet didn't have the list for some reason but I found the list online. I guess they recommend newer Advance ballast but it seems most newer electronic IS ballasts from the major ballast companies are compatible.

Also found a spec sheet for this basically the same thing but with a remote driver that replaces that ballast. Has a closer lumen output to a typical T8 too.

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traffic light1  [20 Apr 2014 at 01:56]

$32 that is very bad I pay $10 to $12 for a LED tube The driver as to be external for me to buy it. and you can't use "instant fit" I like to remove the ballast and use a LED and a driver. LEDs with a clear cover is best. For me one 15w LED external driver replaced 2 t8 fluorescent tubes, I don't think you a know how good the LEDs have worked for my dads building so I will take photos soon

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joe_347V  [20 Apr 2014 at 02:05]

Ehhh, the sleeve and the spec sheets said they were compatible with IS ballasts...

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traffic light1  [20 Apr 2014 at 02:12]

I am only giving my point of view. I have 20 LED tubes now They work very good they have the driver external it puts out 36v DC I got them from eBay. good find at the store.

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GEsoftwhite100watts  [20 Apr 2014 at 04:32]

Personally I'd like it if they put a diffusing coating in these LED tubes so the light distrubution was more even, like a normal fluorescent tube...

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joe_347V  [20 Apr 2014 at 05:25]

Yeah, even if the exposed LED tubes were behind the fixture diffuser, it's still a bit to glary.

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traffic light1  [20 Apr 2014 at 10:02]

I ones I have are clear and the light is even they are in all open fixtures.

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GEsoftwhite100watts  [20 Apr 2014 at 18:15]

In a wraparound or anything with a prismatic diffuser it could look kinda interesting but still glary...
Also what if they used a phosphor, just like the Philips L-Prize screw-in lamp did? Then you could have different "colors" more easily. Only issue I can see is if some of the LEDs start to color-shift unevenly...then it would look weird..

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streetlight98  [20 Apr 2014 at 18:42]

I think the reason these have no diffusers is because diffusers do block light so the tube will be less efficient. And they want to make the tube as efficient as possible to compete with existing T8 fluorescent tubes so they get rid of any coating. My eyes are sensitive to light so I don't like clear lamps (that goes for HID, incandescent, LED, and all other lamps). I still have the squint outside on cloudy days because it's still too bright lol.

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yuandrew  [20 Apr 2014 at 20:26]

Interesting to see these at a Home Center. The only other "plug and play" (in the fact you don't have to bypass the ballast/rewire the fixture) LED fluorescent retrofit I know of is the EverLED. Originally, they made LED bulbs for Maglite flashlights

http://www.everled.com/

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Silverliner14B  [21 Apr 2014 at 02:32]

Where are they made?

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FGS  [21 Apr 2014 at 02:52]

GEsoftwhite100watts - I already seen sections with color shifted within it from DAY ONE! Not only it look weird like you said, all it does is p---s me off every time I walk by that area. Don't they test these at the factory making sure the colors are even? Ugh!

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joe_347V  [21 Apr 2014 at 05:36]

@Mike, maybe they should offer the tubes in exposed and diffused variants or at least offer a optional diffuser for the tubes.

@yuandrew, yeah I'm surprised that HD would be selling them. They seem to be more of a specialty item as I don't really see homeowners buying them lol. The Everled one you linked seems to be compatible with more ballasts as it run works on magnetic ballasts.

@Dave, I forgot to check, but I zoomed in on the original pic and I think the sleeve says China.

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xmaslightguy  [01 May 2014 at 03:11]

Interesting
Haven't seen these at the local HD yet

I wonder what the ballast "sees" one of these as

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akara  [21 Oct 2014 at 09:58]

Have anyone used them?
I am interested on buying some of these.
Could you please let me know you experience with them?
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xmaslightguy  [22 Oct 2014 at 01:18]

I saw something like this at Home Depot last week...they had a pair in a display light, and seeing them lit it looked basically like a fluorescent (atleast to the casual user it would, but I picked up right away that "there's something weird about those lamps" LOL so I went in that aisle for a closer look.) Be interesting to try one, but not for $25 or whatever it was they wanted...

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GEsoftwhite100watts  [22 Oct 2014 at 01:24]

Yeah I've seen "diffused" ones in a supermarket cooler and back stockroom and there was "something weird" but otherwise was fine.

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akara  [22 Oct 2014 at 07:35]

What do you mean by there was something weird?

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streetlight98  [22 Oct 2014 at 11:01]

Well it's obviously not a fluorescent lamp. "Something weird" is that the surface brightness is uneven even though the tube is frosted and the lamps have more glare than a typical fluorescent. I've seen them in use. They seem to give decent light, but you can tell they're not fluorescent. Also, typically only half the tube lights up so fixtures with reflectors look weird.

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GEsoftwhite100watts  [22 Oct 2014 at 15:42]

They indeed do look a little strange with reflectors...

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akara  [24 Oct 2014 at 13:43]

But, what about their performance?
Are there any problems with them, like flicker or drop in the light output?



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