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Double ended MH lamps transmits UV so a protective len is required, this one is missing its lens. Uh oh!
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Want a tan? Uh oh!

Double ended MH lamps transmits UV so a protective len is required, this one is missing its lens. Uh oh!

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gailgrove   [Feb 03, 2011 at 09:04 PM]
I thought it was only MH lamps without a jacket that required a shield.
Silverliner14B   [Feb 03, 2011 at 09:30 PM]
These double ended MH lamps use quartz envelopes, which transmits UV.
dor123   [Feb 04, 2011 at 05:22 PM]
Dave, gailgrove is right. ONLY the high wattage bare double ended MH lamps, produce dangerous short wave UV radiation.
The double ended compact MH lamps with quartz outer, don't produce any dangerous short wave UV radiation, because like halogen lamps, their quartz outerbulbs are doped with materials that prevents the UV radiation to escape.
Compact quartz jacketed double ended and miniature 2-pin single ended MH lamps, require an enclosed fitting, only to contain the quartz pieces, should explosion would accur.
Their UV emission is similar to the screwbased MH lamps with glass envelope and the mercury lamps (Mainly long wave UV radiation).
SeanB~1   [Feb 04, 2011 at 06:40 PM]
Is that why they glow blue all along the glass during initial start up?
TiCoune66   [Feb 04, 2011 at 10:10 PM]
I rather take Dave's side here. The wattage doesn't matter much. Quartz has the property to transmit ultraviolet radiations. Only glass (sodal-lime, borosillicate) blocks UVs enough to be considered as a safe UV shield.

Dor123, keep in mind that European and American standards are not necessarily similar. In North America, double-end MH lamps are made of quartz, so they need a shield to protect the surroundings both from UV radiations and eventual lamp rupture.
Medved   [Feb 05, 2011 at 06:01 AM]
Dor123 is right,
These rather low wattage lamps do not emit UV, as the quartz is doped (so unlike the burner), include north american market, the shield i necessary solely for explosion containment (an of course lamp protection).
I think UVC do not emit any of them, neither the high wattage ones, UVA and mainly UVB are supressed below the safe limit.

The blue radiating stuff on the outer (visible just after power ON) is the fluorescence of the UV absorbing doping, what when excited by the UV emit a bit of the blue radiation. Normal, UV transparent, quartz would not radiate in this blue...
Silverliner14B   [Feb 05, 2011 at 06:21 AM]
I learned something here. I was thinking of the older single and double ended MH lamps in the 80s and 90s which did require UV filter glass.
dor123   [Feb 05, 2011 at 07:47 AM]
Vince, in Europe, double ended compact MH lamps also have a quartz outerbulb, but they produce little UV, because the quartz outerbulb doped with metals that abosrbs the UV radiation. Their enclosure is only to prevent damage in the case of an explosion. Sean is right, that this is the reason of the blue glow of the outerbulb, when the lamp is on.
Also, the glass used in non compact screwbased HID lamps isn't a borosilicate glass, but simply a hard-glass, since they shouldn't be exposed to the outdoor conditions, or the outerbulb will shatter (Thing that wouldn't accur if they would be made from a true borosilicate glass, which can withstand to thermal differences and willn't shatter because of this [The pyrex glass is from the borosilicate family]).
Silverliner14B   [Feb 05, 2011 at 07:54 AM]
I remember something! Sometime in the late 90s Philips introduced the Fade-Block technology that blocks out UV radiation. I just didn't know it was applied to these little compact MH lamps. The purpose of this is mainly protect items from fading under MH lighting, as well as safety.
TiCoune66   [Feb 05, 2011 at 04:44 PM]
Hard glass IS borosillicate glass Wink It stands thermal shocks better, but is never 100% thermal shock-resistant.
Max   [Apr 25, 2011 at 11:46 AM]
In fact the "fade block", "UV stop" and other "UV block" technology was first applied to these compact metal halide lamps by Osram in the mid-1990s, and this technology was applied to other lamps as well in the following years.
GullWhiz   [Apr 25, 2011 at 03:25 PM]
How do you tell by the bulb itself if it is UV protected? Is it on the etch? A symbol?
SeanB~1   [Apr 25, 2011 at 06:22 PM]
I would guess a reliable way would be to excite it with a near UV LED and look for the glow.
Medved   [Apr 25, 2011 at 07:00 PM]
If I see correctly, it is the round ceramic arctube. These would use the UV-blocking outer (they are not as old design to be made without the UV blocking doping)
But usually the presence of the UV blocking feature is stated both on the lamp etch, as well as on the package.
The UV LED would not be reliable, as LED's are only of near-UV, while the outer phosphorescence is excited mostly by longer wavelengths...
GullWhiz   [Apr 25, 2011 at 07:01 PM]
This lamp would be either Sylvania or Osram...They make a round ceramic arc tube that is called "Powerball"
streetlight98   [Apr 25, 2011 at 09:02 PM]
Hmm. My generic 70w MH china lamp has a round ceramic arctube.
GullWhiz   [Apr 25, 2011 at 10:38 PM]
Show us a pic....
streetlight98   [Apr 25, 2011 at 11:00 PM]
Coming soon......
Ok uploaded it. Check my gallery and click "Acessories for lights"

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