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Another TwistPak Replacement
Here is yet another TwistPak being replaced, I find it odd how far back they put the pole! The eight foot arm barely reaches the road in this location.
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joe_347V  [26 Jan 2012 at 16:38]

I challenge you to find a setup tackier than that 125 in my gallery.

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gailgrove  [26 Jan 2012 at 16:48]

Did you mean to comment on this picture? Anyways it would be hard to find any lazier wiring than that.

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joe_347V  [26 Jan 2012 at 17:20]

Yeah I did but since I'm here too bad they're replacing more Powerlites and with FCO lights too.

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gailgrove  [26 Jan 2012 at 17:43]

Yeah it's annoying, I don't know what prompted the FCO lights though...

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joe_347V  [26 Jan 2012 at 18:31]

Same thing in my area, not sure why they started using FCO, they somehow look glarier at night to me and plus they have bad light distribution.

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Hmph.

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LilCinnamon  [26 Jan 2012 at 22:05]

Looks like they wanted the light to light the sidewalk too, so they put the pole there.

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streetlight98  [26 Jan 2012 at 22:53]

It could be that, although cobraheads do put some light on the house side. I think it might be further back so it's less likely to be hit by a motorist.

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gailgrove  [26 Jan 2012 at 22:57]

I think that is the reason, there really isn't enough space to have the light three feet back from the road.

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streetlight98  [26 Jan 2012 at 23:04]

Here the lights are mounted around the same distance as the twistpack from the road. Some wood poles are less than a foot from the street curb like the pole in front of my house.

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joe_347V  [26 Jan 2012 at 23:26]

Hmm I wonder why they couldn't do a downtown Toronto style install in put the pole right next to the curb.

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m@  [27 Jan 2012 at 03:57]

what's the difference between the refractor throwing light into the sky and light bouncing off the ground to the sky?

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gailgrove  [27 Jan 2012 at 15:32]

To my knowledge the refractor actually puts little light into the sky, it is mostly light reflecting off the ground that causes "sky glow" though these morons want you to think otherwise.

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joe_347V  [27 Jan 2012 at 15:37]

They also tell you that MV is somehow worse than MH or HPS at causing skyglow.

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mercuryvaporrocks  [27 Jan 2012 at 15:53]

They're liars.

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gailgrove  [27 Jan 2012 at 15:58]

Take a look at these few moronic documents, they get me so angry...

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joe_347V  [27 Jan 2012 at 16:31]

Are some of those pictures photoshopped or taken through a dirty windshield to exaggerate the effects for their own agenda?

Oh and can you say code violation?

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gailgrove  [27 Jan 2012 at 16:33]

That cracked me up when I saw it, I would "repair" this by upgrading to a 1.6 kW MH flood!

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m@  [27 Jan 2012 at 19:30]

@gailgrv: clever way to post links to 4 documents. It's clear we are all on the same page now for sure. I have a point for glare that makes FCO desirable. I think the bigger the refractor is, the bigger a beacon effect it has. For example, I think I find it more visually distracting going down a road with low mounted AEL125's with their big drop refractors.

@Joe: I find that eves trough shade creative and it works!

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gailgrove  [27 Jan 2012 at 19:42]

FCO isn't glary until you look directly at the reflector, then it becomes very glary. I think drop lens lights are much more consistent for one, I have an idea about a possible night shot showing some FCO vs drop refractor that I may be able to take soon.

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m@  [27 Jan 2012 at 19:45]

exactly, stay clear of catching a view of FCO in the wrong driection. Yeah FCO's can appear they just turned on as you approach underneath. Nice, I will be anticipating a night shot comparison.

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joe_347V  [27 Jan 2012 at 20:16]

Yeah, looking at FCO in the wrong way can be quite blinding at night. I'm anticipating your comparision too Niall.

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gailgrove  [27 Jan 2012 at 20:58]

Hopefully it will turn out better than this...

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streetlight98  [28 Jan 2012 at 02:17]

IMO, they should make FCO fixtures with a frosted glass so the glare isn't so extreme and so coated lamps don't have to be used.

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Form109  [28 Jan 2012 at 05:19]

they've already made fixtures like that.

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streetlight98  [28 Jan 2012 at 15:55]

Can you show me an example? I sure have never seen that...

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joe_347V  [28 Jan 2012 at 16:13]

I believe Dave has a fixture with a diffused lens...his OV 15 TuDor.

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m@  [15 Feb 2012 at 05:34]

Attention Ontario, Canada people... brampton is a whole phase behind (it's not about FCO anymore, but LED), mississauga could start a WHOLE CITY LED retrofit this summer, let the war begin.

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joe_347V  [15 Feb 2012 at 06:19]

Hmm, it looks like at this rate HPS could be gone within the next ten years, I know Vaughan already has a lot of LEDs. Fortunately Markham only recently switched to FCO HPS and Toronto still installs new drop lens.

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streetlight98  [15 Feb 2012 at 10:55]

They're gonna be sorry they switched to LED after a while. I personally think everyone should wait until LEDs improve more and until the prices comes down. There is no need to switch to LED now because the fixtures cost too much and the quailty isn't determined.

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gailgrove  [15 Feb 2012 at 11:52]

Just wondering, where did you hear that? I hope it isn't true, than again it could be a way to get a bunch of lights. From the guy I know at Mississuga Hydro he liked CMH better. I wonder if the real agenda for the new lights was to be able to convert them to LED with the least possible cost and effort? If Brampton goes LED, along with the rest of the GTA then its game over for my collecting. On a side note both sets of lights where on last night for some reason.

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joe_347V  [15 Feb 2012 at 12:32]

Hmm I wonder why Mississauga decided to go LED, since the last I checked they were testing induction near Dixie and Dundas.

I also wonder why almost no utilities in the GTA aside from Toronto really considered using CMH streetlights.

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Antstar85  [15 Feb 2012 at 13:23]

Well, my city is in the process of a full LED change out as we all saw my road was replaced to LED this week. Hopefully my work will stay away from full LED replacements but the way things are changing here, I doubt that will happen.

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m@  [16 Feb 2012 at 02:18]

I tried to paste the press release from the mississagua city website about the full city LED replacement movement...but it deleted the link. I found out on the news, the 91 year old mayor is like "for the first time the city is borrowing money, and its for replacing all streetlights to LED, we'll get full return on invenstment in 8 years based on energy savings". LOL, You can't ask for a better bulk deal order though. There are some interesting LEDs on a road near square one mall already.

@gail, the twistpack is putting up a fighht! but there are actually TONS of twistpacks left in the city if you look for the hoods.

@jow: CMH seems to not radiate light as well as HPS to our eyes, and toronto seems to only use them in populated downtoawn areas with a lot of other retail lights already on.

oh! the cooper light of this thread comes in an LED verson, which is one of the first HPS bodies i've seen come in LED. Maybe brampton will sneak some in, and we'll only find out by going on scavenger hunts to see if any will be LED down the road haha.

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gailgrove  [16 Feb 2012 at 12:31]

I found where it said that the proposal was going to be presented before council, but nothing saying it had been approved... I then emailed the city of Mississauga who took the lazy way out and directed me to Enersource like the contractor can help me. I emailed them back again to see what they say. Yes I know there are plenty of TwistPaks in Brampton, however they are all going to be replaced if the city of Brampton has it's way.

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mercuryvaporrocks  [16 Feb 2012 at 12:51]

Tarentum Borough is also talking about replacing hundreds of HID streetlights in the near future with LED's.

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gailgrove  [16 Feb 2012 at 13:05]

This wouldn't just be hundreds, this would be 49,000 streetlights heading to the scrapyard!

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Antstar85  [16 Feb 2012 at 16:15]

All of holyokes lights are on the way to the dumpster, which Is about 5,500 are in their way to the scrap dumpster, I'd say a 1/3 of the city has now been replaced.

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gailgrove  [27 Feb 2012 at 03:04]

Alright, I got an update on Friday. It is true sadly, Mississauga will be replacing all of their streetlights with LED, it's starting this summer.



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